For this reason alone, this appears to be a strong profile point. These could have involved a more invasive examination or procedure focused on the brain, and while they fortunately seem rare, especially to the extreme of cow mutilations, there are such cases. Dave also mentions legends from Hawaii and Indonesia which explain that you should not wear bright clothing if you dont want to offend some kind of spirits, or that some spirits demand that you lie naked face down in their presence, which is how Missing 411 people often are found. Paulides shares several perplexing mysteries and investigations. In either of these scenarios, the result will look the same. Though there are Missing 411 cases where that didnt help, like when a person was seen chasing a dog into the forest, which only helps explain how people can get lost more often while walking a dog. That would be bad enough if done systematically by some sort of human agency, but the inside-out clothing indicates that it really might not involve humans, or at least not exactly us, modern-day humans (insert your favorite sci-fi modifier here). Its basically just as magic as teleportation. Here I have to give credit to Seriah Azkath and the Snake Brothers, who pointed out the likely direction of causality regarding this profile point on a recent Where Did the Road Go show. Furthermore, introducing it in the first place or doing things like turning it inside out could screw with pattern recognition AI that was designed to target us looking a particular way. In contrast, as Dave points out, to types of people who should be much more likely to drown in cities, like the homeless, but who arent involved in a single unexplained case. I would just say that if the two samples have very similar distributions of the times at which people disappear, its likely that theres nothing to it other than people get lost at the times at which they tend to be on a hike. Missing 411: The Hunted sur iTunes Not surprisingly at all, these types of things are reported by alien abductees. This seems to be pretty straightforward to me it doesnt matter if youre a bunch of wild men, an underground civilization, or a fleet of E.T. Finally, being associated with Bigfoot research also doesnt disqualify everything that you say about anything. On the cases I investigated some teams were 15-20 people strong with only one trained team leader. Missing 411: The U.F.O. And yes, I also rewatched Dirk Gentlys Holistic Detective Agency, obviously. Speaking of bizarre and inexplicable, these books and documentaries describe a growing number of cases (now in the low thousands) of people going missing or being found under strange circumstances. Not to sound too alien-abductiony, but some type of medical examination or procedure would make the most sense. After all, if there is an intelligent perpetrator behind at least some of these cases, they can be smart enough not to kidnap and kill too many people. Missing 411: The Hunted, movie reviews . If I sum it all up: This about covers what I would like to say about this subject at this moment in time. This type of account would go some way toward explaining the seemingly missing failure rate of the perpetrators, as these would be the cases where the predators let the captured prey go, or when their traps, even though advanced, failed. In at least some cases, a wrong search area could have been set up or the search effort could have been otherwise insufficient (or plain unlucky). Especially since weird perception and memory issues are common among the Missing 411 cases. On this note, I like Daves more recent approach of looking for almost-Missing 411 cases that are substantiated with hard evidence, like those included in the most recent documentary (featuring the Bigfoot audio recording and the predator photo). There are so many comparisons that need to be made, and for that you need numbers. When you have such data, a lot of it, about a state of an object, and it doesnt make any sense how it got there from its last known state, what youve got is a proper anomaly. Disorientation happened to my son and I four years ago in Germany's Teutoburg Forest. The Very Strange disappearance of Tom Messick whilst hunting near Brant As I was listening to various cryptid-related podcasts and shows, I have also encountered mentions of a possible conflict raging between bigfoot and dogmen/skinwalkers. A home for weird ideas, future visions, and mad ramblings. Missing 411 - cases from Minnesota - Nexus Newsfeed Cases with positive evidence of the impossible (facts gleaned from autopsies, missing being found in unlikely places, etc.) Watchlist. Or there at least isnt enough evidence for any of these. And even if the name is just related to the remoteness, more remote and hard-to-get areas would mean the most difficult search environments. This is a suspiciously good record. The unusual death following a plot of a movie, an unusual plot, moves this coincidence to about a bit odd to the sixth power. If I think about how likely it is that this profile point signifies something unusual, the inside-out clothing is very hard to explain away, but the brightly colored clothing may have a mundane explanation. Then again, at this point, its not much more than entertaining fiction. Its also unusual for such high percentage of adults to remember what happened, but then not report it, to not even make anything up, which would be the only normal alternative explanation. Which brings me to some practical reasons why you would undress a person that you have kidnapped. How often you run into people with the same first name or surname as you is a function of how rare it is. If anyone whos unable to travel many miles is found many miles away, especially if it is in a very short amount of time, its extremely suspicious. With all the insults out of the way, lets look at the profile points. On the most basic level, it makes a lot of sense for a predator of any type or motivation to pick either easy targets (like kids, the disabled, the elderly, or less well-armed hunters), or exceptional targets (for the thrill, challenge, or some kind of interrogative or research value), so these attributes should be expected. The stasis option might sound the most sci-fi, but there are multiple Missing 411 cases in which the body was found in a surprisingly pristine condition for how long it was supposedly dead. But I think theres more to it than that. Errors can be corrected. What should be done first is a comparison with the distribution of times at which people from a random non-Missing 411 sample disappear in the same areas. If an area has been searched dozens of times, chances are the search was sufficient. Especially considering that feeding grounds are a great place where to lie in wait for prey, and perhaps the best way to narrow down where people will be found in a big forest, and roughly when. In any event, I believe that Dave is correctly focusing on the cases where the most inexplicable travel speeds or distances took place. How can we prove otherwise? Like, you just wont believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly unlikely it is, but thats all that is unlikely, not impossible. In the case Elisa Lams death, around the time of her death, NIH was using a test called LAM-ELISA in the area to deal with a tuberculosis outbreak. Starring David Paulides, Cuz Strickland, Bruce Maccabee. Which sort of plays into the possibility that Dave often mentions of people dying essentially of fear, like when being kidnapped and burned by what may seem like aliens, even if it were human agents. How do you manipulate lividity of a corpse, like achieving none? Dave may not be the best scientist or statistician, he may have lied or cheated in his life at least once or twice, and he was trying to find evidence for the existence of Bigfoot (plural) before he was approached to look into missing people in national parks. The U.K. study also suggests that the truly undeterminable deaths (called the sudden adult death syndrome there) can be incorrectly misdiagnosed as a different cause of death as much as two thirds of the time. Exceptionally odd circumstances surround the disappearance. At most, they managed to say that someone is following them, but not exactly who or where they are, or if they described a specific location, they were already gone within moments (if the location they gave was accurate in the first place). Paulides has classified over 1,440 missing persons cases under the Missing411 label. On the other hand, there are some data points that indicate that theres something unusual going on during the disappearances with the dogs. Profiling is in some ways similar to cherry-picking, but the science of it is more complicated. This leaves a sudden medical emergency, or an animal or human attack, that either quickly render you unconscious, or force you to be quiet. Or any or all of that. This profile point doesnt sound necessarily unusual to me, since in any scenario, it has to be much more likely that a missing persons case will remain unexplained when the person disappeared while being alone and out of sight, while any intelligent perpetrator would wait for that moment. Nazis were in fact spectacularly wrong about the Arian race, especially in the sense that the Germans are it (theyre not) or that theyre exceptional (not by any objective metric). Dogs arent machines, which inevitably means they must have some sort of rate of error, some better and worse days, while scent can be affected by environmental conditions. Not many things need to be the same for all or most unexplained cases, and they will be objective facts. The main analytical problem with using this as a profile point is that while it is a good place to start, the fact that the person wasnt found is a better indicator of which variables prevent people from being found, more than it is an indicator of why or how they got lost in the first place. Missing 411: The Hunted : r/bigfoot - Reddit Best format would be an interactive table online, where all types of data could be filtered and sorted with immediate visualization. There are cases where a wolf man-type being was described as the one who kidnapped the target, they could be easily able to control dogs and likely to respect them more than humans, and if the shapeshifting into dogs is on the table, they could get around any human settlements, including urban areas, undetected. Speaking of animals, theres of course the dog whistle or similar techniques that could certainly be used to make a dog run into a forest to make its master follow him, and a variety of more sophisticated technologies currently under development, mainly to be used as forms of crowd control. Maybe you did notice and track them more easily because they had colorful clothing, but then, once you got them, you removed it so that it would now be harder to notice and track you carrying them. Theres bound to be a normal percentage of cases in which the trackers simply fail to locate evidence that is present in the area. The main two cases involving multiple odd coincidences are the disappearance of Dennis Martin and the death of Elisa Lam. You have no reason to want their poop, specifically. Dave assembled the profile by reviewing details of all unexplained disappearances he could find that took place in the U.S. national parks and by noting what they had in common. Objects can spontaneously teleport, its just very, very, very unlikely. And sure, tests have to be named something and there is a limited number of letters in the alphabet. Its unlikely that all such witnesses could be successfully bribed or threatened with all of the impromptu recordings being destroyed. Missing 411 The Hunted Movie - video Dailymotion This is one of the profile points that may have a completely mundane explanation, which could be proven. If there is someone out there with some kind of tech doing this, the tech clearly should involve remote brain or full-body scan capability (to ascertain hidden health issues or intelligence), perception altering, and memory editing. Much like it is with the other inexplicable details of the typical state in which the bodies in these cases keep being found, no identifiable cause of death theoretically is a solid profile point a positive evidence of something unusual going on. In this analysis, I will not be going in depth on any of the individual cases, since that is covered quite well by many different videos on this subject that you can find on YouTube, including many hours of interviews with David Paulides on various paranormal podcasts. Even if the perpetrators arent exactly advanced, protected primeval forests are the most logical place where to look for any surviving intelligent forest-dwelling creatures. This includes a number of cases of divers not finding the body, but random people on the shore finding it afterwards. 2019. This is why it seems very suspicious to me that in Missing 411 cases, the majority of people who are found alive have amnesia and only a minority reports something strange happening. In case youve never heard of this series of books written by an American ex-detective David Paulides, I believe theres eight of them at the moment, plus two documentary movies. This dense forest is where three Roman Legions were massacred by Germanic tribes in 9 A.D. Once you come across one, you know that following it will get you back to civilization within at most a day. Yes, you are supposed to be thinking of Dirk Gently. The potentially unusual elements connected to this profile point are the speed at which someone got lost after they got out of sight, which sometimes appears to be downwards of a minute, and the instances that seem to indicate that some luring or messing with ones mental or physical state took place. The latter type of accounts, mainly collected by folklorists in connection to fairy lore, is consistent with natural spacetime distortions, but it can also be indicative of a special kind of traps being laid in the forest. 189 ratings20 reviews. The proportion of the two should be inverse. The question is, why would a sophisticated perpetrator remove (and sometimes return) clothing, and not understand how it works? On the other hand, cities dont appear to be safe either, so Look, squirrel! But its true that on the other, more paranoid hand, if the storms are somehow being caused (or foreseen and taken advantage of) to thwart searches, them succeeding in thwarting searches is not a disqualifying factor. As for any data points or theories that may shed some light on why the clothing tends to be missing, the only explanations provided by the survivors of something like a Missing 411 incident are either that they removed it themselves (without understanding why and later regretting it), or the story of one little girl that a dog/wolf man ate some articles of her clothing. Maybe there are more younger and older people visiting the parks in general, maybe its more of a white or specifically German cultural thing in general, maybe people with disabilities, geniuses, or athletes should be over-represented. Documentary 2019 1 hr 37 min. Or, again, by someone who had no idea how to properly fasten the clothes. For starters, it keeps changing, on a whim, basically, so you have to constantly keep guessing how it works. Here are the most significant repeating profile points with my critical commentary as to their potential strengths and shortcomings: According to Paulides, every person should be found, especially if they are a small child or if theyre mentally or physically disabled and therefore presumably unable to travel long distances. It would either mean that Jon Oliver was even more right than he thought when he was describing the current sorry state of how especially coroners (the ones without any actual medical training) operate in the United States, or it would mean that some of the Missing 411 profile points actually function as a cause of or significant contributing factor to the sudden adult death syndrome. I think the issue is that Dave by default rules out cases in which they would have made an error. You may have noticed that in all that speculation, I may have cracked the case at most in the sense of creating some structural microtears in it. When I say strange, what I mean is that, for starters, all of the usual suspects have been ruled out, like animal predation, human crime, voluntary disappearance, drowning, etc. Apart from this (the fact that a personal attack is a logical fallacy, not a counterargument), if Dave incorrectly interprets some data point or a causal relation, its an error, not a crime. Missing 411: The Hunted is based on the book by Paulides, which documents 185 cases of missing peoples from four different countries. In the Missing 411 cases, I believe that the percentage of how many causes of death are reported as unknown is far higher than 5%, while even many of the deaths that were reported as death by exposure or drowning seem to be questionable. David Paulides presents the haunting true stories of hunters experiencing the unexplainable in the woods of North America. Worldbuilder, magister, change catalyst. Conversely, a person out to dispose of a corpse in water clearly would take that care. Which is of course reasonable in principle, especially with animals, except for the fact that it is unclear how you would do that remotely and without a trace with a human, especially a healthy adult. Forests being bigger and unmarked could certainly be an issue, just like the number and type of local predators or overall crime rates in the area, and maybe thats something that should be statistically analyzed using data that I dont have at the moment (comparing forests where people go missing versus those where they dont go missing based on these criteria). In the Daves profile, whoever the perpetrators are seem to be perfect, but no one is 100% effective. For the first three-fourths or so of the documentary, we're under the impression that they seem to be easy targets for killers or maybe incredibly accident prone. On the internet. An Investigation of the Missing411 Conspiracy - Skeptical Inquirer The latter option seems especially plausible, since in none of the recorded calls were any of the victims able to relay any coherent, useful information. If the person was seen, say, falling of a cliff, then that would be an explanation, just like it should be easier to find someone when youd seen where exactly they entered the forest, at what speed, and in what state of mind. Dave Paulides investigates cases of elk hunters who've gone missing from specific regions of North America, and explores the theory that there could be a connection between these disappearances and sightings of UFOs. Hunters have disappeared from wildlands without a trace for hundreds of years. Its not crazy talk, its a genius speculation of one of the sci-fi greats. Also, in case you make a mistake and blow your cover, humans will be far less likely to torch a natural treasure to get you. After all, thats how a sudden health crisis or mental break would start. What I will try to do is use my social science education and research methodology expertise to try to bring some clarity into how all of the variables in these cases seem to be connected. As a person from the Czech Republic, where picking mushrooms is a national pastime more so than in most other countries, this is puzzling to me. Especially if the body wasnt even found by dedicated searchers, but by random hikers or passersby after the search was over. Or its supposed to be, anyway. Thats how learning works. At its core, Missing411 is the vague claim that something unusual is occurring related to deaths and disappearances in national parks. If you simulate a physical world and you want to interfere with it without rewriting natural laws all the time, you use any fuzziness or ambiguity within them, like chaotic probability, to essentially cheat. Somebody must have done their research and observed their daily routine for some time. Not only that, the details of her death, especially how she was found dead in a water tank on the roof of a hotel, mirrored the plot of a Japanese horror movie called Dark Water from 2002, remade in 2005 (Elisa died in 2013). Sometimes, high amounts of alcohol or GHB were found in the blood of the deceased, but without any clear idea how they were ingested. Overall, the whole dog connection is interesting, but not useful without other evidence. And even then, there often still should have been enough time to use the phone to report or record what happened. I do agree with Dave that it is safe to assume that places typically get named for a reason, especially if the name sounds ominous, like Devils, Demons, or Hells something or other. Malevolent gods could theoretically use it to mislead us, but I bet that malevolent gods have a less perfect awareness and more of a self-centered, narrow viewpoint on things. Dave also likes to cite one case in which the police officers noticed that the subject who lost his shoes had clean socks, after apparently traveling on his own for several miles through a muddy area. Maybe, just maybe, dogs are behind it all. Not only that, the burn marks were treated by an unidentifiable ointment and the cause of death was a massive heart attack. The exotic options would all be variations on the person entering some sort of portal or spacetime warp or legitimately teleporting. The reason why Im mentioning it is that he had his shirt missing and various articles of his clothing were improperly fastened, almost as if he was undressed and then dressed back in a hurry. Missing 411- David Paulides Presents Cases from Minnesota (Stateley), Yosemite and Alaska (Perkowski) Canam Missing Project. Most of this was pretty much what I expected having some idea of what David Paulides has investigated but if you have Amazon Prime and are interested, call this up and go to about about an hour and 15 minutes in and listen to the audio these guys recorded. The. Scott Schumacher Without giving much away, the first messages that you put on the screen I believe are the thread you meant to weave into this movie..so that it could "shake the tree" so to speak. This type of research is frequently used in not only social science in order to formulate hypotheses, or in this case a criminal profile. There are no stretches of known science required for someone to be able to create an underground or underwater base. Missing 411: The Hunted - Movies on Google Play Coincidence is how gods can circumvent rules. A high-level analysis of patterns behind these strange disappearances. The hard evidence found here indicates that many of these people must have died on land days after they disappeared, but days before they entered water, or that they must have died in a tumbling stream, when they were found in a pond with no flowing water, etc. Or at least not in any way in which we understand this type of attack to work. Upon reading the Eastern book, it is really simplistic and pretty cut and dry. As the investigations expanded to include National Forests, David Paulides and his team began to find cases of missing hunters that fit their profile points. Finally, if you think about it, its important to understand that human clothing can be confusing to a highly intelligent, highly scientifically advanced species who has studied us for ages. Maybe its not used on or as effective for children, either because it would certainly kill them, or because their brains arent fully developed yet. Like mentions of reports of bigfoot on one of the U.S. coasts attacking dogs (in one episode of the On the Trail of Bigfoot series), or a description of an area where there were almost exclusively bigfoot reports on one side of a road going through a forest, and almost exclusively dogman reports on the other (on The Venomous Fringe podcast). This is a tough one because on one hand, I would like to believe Dave that trackers are by and large good enough to always find things like signs of struggle, but on the other hand, no one is perfect. Put simply, this profile point is something that makes it harder to find a missing person and easier for people to get more lost. This invokes a motivation or mentality that either has something to do with genetics or culture, or a specific grudge. Especially in the one case when the phone was later found shattered into a million pieces. Ive been trying to find the best data that doesnt fit with the dominant paradigm of what is or isnt supposed to be physically possible. Usually, the tragic stories are about mushroom poisoning. These are all angles that can and should be investigated, since precise targeting, luring, and covert disappearing of people arent trivial tasks. This is another strong profile point. With Daniela Salmen, John Miles, Adam Palmer, Gail Star. However, statistically speaking, the remaining cases of storms which didnt ultimately cause the search to fail or during which the missing person ended up doing impossible things will still only be interesting as profile points if they keep being too frequent in comparison to how often storms follow non-mysterious cases of people going missing, or if they at least are individually unexpected instances of bad weather.