To conjecture further, although Flight Lieutenant Alan Green, the number two, was more experienced than his leader, he was still settling in having been posted from another squadron. The flyers were likely thinking this was a Milk Run flight and did not pay the same attention as perhaps on other more serious flights. Length - 9.5 miles / 15.4 km Ascent - 1680 feet / 509 metres. Bleaklow Walk From Snake Pass and The Plane Crash Site Its a good read although i did see the end coming fairly early in the book ! Terrain clear and wellmarked on Pennine Way; off the path can be very boggy and difficult to navigate - especially in low cloud/mist. However, if you need to get your bearings when you are at the site, the trig point is visible from the memorial stone. SK 06926 89664 Kinder: initial impact point, start of debris trail (illustrated above), SK 07268 90236 Black Ashop Moor: wings, gear, with an engine in an adjacent grough, SK 07300 90100 Black Ashop Moor, two debris pools, SK 07548 90390 Black Ashop Moor, the second engine, I note that there is a lot less here then in. Ours has been great value. Randolph R. Mohlenrich Jr, Passenger, Killed. [] is not the first incident of its kind that uses aircraft wreckage as a memorial site. Excellent directions and advice. Its a very interesting crash site , with the engines and the memorials there . I honestly cant advise. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE: This walk without kids will take over 2 hours. Its a shame that the wreckage cant be left alone to act as a memorial to those who died in the crash. At the going down of the sun and in the morning, Bleaklow (June) Hiking Route outdooractive.com Last edited on 25 November 2022, at 23:47, "Accident Boeing RB-29A Superfortress 44-61999, 03 Nov 1948", "Superfortress RB-29 44-61999 'Over-Exposed!' Thanks. [5] On 3 November 1948, USAF Boeing RB-29A Superfortress 4461999, of the 16th Photographic Reconnaissance Squadron, 91st Reconnaissance Group, 311th Air Division, Strategic Air Command, crashed at Higher Shelf Stones, Bleaklow (53272.12N 15154.03W / 53.4505889N 1.8650083W / 53.4505889; -1.8650083), en route from Scampton to Burtonwood. Flight Lieutenant Adam Sanders. I will get back there soon and will leave a poppy cross with your dads name on it in remembrance of him. You follow another path which immediately turns right (north) and follows another stream, running parallel to the PW for a few minutes in a north westerly direction. This Bleaklow plane crash walk features tough terrain and remote moorland locations. It was very good to meet you too. Would be a struggle for a 2 year old but if in a carrier, maybe. The aircraft was soon reported missing and the local authorities and nearby RAF Mountain Rescue Service team were alerted. The signs referred to a waymarked route to the crash site. Mat found this wreckage pool and sign close to the Sykes Moor Blenheim site. The aircraft was on a routine daytime flight with two other aircraft, leaving RAF Scampton near Lincoln at about 10:15 and heading to the US Air Force base at Burtonwood near Warrington. Thank you for your reverence to those who died in this accident. The trail is a twisty up and down route with peat bogs either side along some sections and lots of wild cotton growing here and there, so delicate looking in this rugged landscape. Years since I bought Flypast We thoroughly enjoyed the walk which is at least way marked by posts along the way. Scattered across an area of Bleaklow moorland is the remains of the American World War II era Boeing Superfortress bomber called the B-29 'Overexposed'. The nearby crater of the following plane no longer has any visible wreckage t all. There has been considerable investment of resources in recent years to block many of the eroded peat gulleys as part of major schemes to re-wet and restore healthy Sphagnum moss communities which are essential for peat formation, carbon capture, and reduction in dissolved carbon which contaminates water supplies. Hiring helicopters, although expensive, has proved to make economic sense, one of the many advantages being that the moors do not suffer the damage caused by surface vehicles. The people who remove wreckage whether to sell on e-bay or for their private collection (i.e. There are lots of reasons why people should not remove artefacts from air crash sites, ethical and legal, plus the landowner forbids it too. Quite an image Ian and story too. Im not sure its ideal Helen but others might say its fine? It took us 13 minutes of walking from when we left the Pennine Way at the gully to reach the B-29 wreck. I am Terry David Moore, last living direct relative of David Devere Moore. USAAF B-24 bomber 42-50668 of the 854th Bomb Squadron was flying from the American airbase at North Pickenham in Norfolk to Burtonwood airbase near Warrington on 19 February 1945. Boeing RB-29A 44-61999 of the 16th Photographic Reconnaissance Squadron, 91st Reconnaissance Group, 311th Air Division, Strategic Air Command, USAF, Crashed at Higher Shelf Stones on Bleaklow near Glossop 3rd November 1948. Your email address will not be published. Radio Operator, Staff Sergeant Gene A. Gartner In this case, or if you miss the path turning, stick to the intermittently paved sections of the PW, walk past a PW marker stone and as the path emerges from the deep grough you have been in, you will arrive at a cairn where the path appears to fork. These aircraft had undoubtedly been the two Sabres, although what made Flying Officer Horne take his number two that low will never be known. In a couple of minutes you will arrive at the point where you leave the PW at SK 09708 94773. The foursome had noted already that Flying Officer Hornes radio was weak at times, so he may not have heard the warning; certainly, he did not acknowledge. Aircraft wrecks on Kinder and Bleaklow - Outside.co.uk Some great light on the poppy Ian, nicely done. My Mother, Doris Moore, my Brother Tom Moore, and myself, Terry Moore were the only surviving family members. South African airmen Pilot Officer Stanley John Daly Robinson and Acting Pilot Officer Jack Elliott Thomas were both killed when their Blenheim crashed during a training exercise 30 January 1939. You may wonder, , well Paul Taylor has this covered in his comprehensive article. Given the duration hed be in a carrier some of the way. I visit at least once a year to pay my respects. At SK 09468 94926 this path leaves the stream and heads west and out across the moor, going directly to the southern end of the crash site. Photographic reconnaissance squadron USAF. . RB29 Superfortress air crash site at Higher Shelf Stones on Bleaklow. air crash site on Bleaklow photos, history, directions and grid references", "RB-29A 44-61999, Higher Shelf Stones, Bleaklow", "Superfortress 44-61999 "Over Exposed!" As of July 2022 the bus stops are still there but there is no bus service. No doubt your analysis is correct; some people got fed up carrying the debris and dumped it. It is unlawful to remove debris as well as unethical but clearly that wont stop the minority. Bleaklow Head (633 m), marked by a huge cairn of stones, the high point at the western side of the moor, is a Hewitt and is crossed by the Pennine Way. The Snake Pass can be found in the Peak District, along the A57 main road that runs from Ladybower Reservoir to Glossop. finally got to have a walk up there today a very solam place indeed directions were spot on. Removing the remains from this air crash site. At the risk of sounding paternalistic, Id advise those dressed for the pub and without map and compass against it. Return from Bleaklow back to the A57 Snake Pass. Flypast From the Higher Shelf Stones trig point, walk east to visit the B29 Superfortress crash site (grid reference SK 09063 94874).It's a well-trodden route, although you might need to bear right or left to avoid the mud! [7], Several other military aircraft have crashed on the Bleaklow moors. Most of the Bleaklow area is at least 2,000 feet (610 m) above sea level and the shallow bowl of Swains Greave on the eastern side is the source of the River Derwent. Sgt. B29 plane crash site, epic views across the moors to Manchester. Note the new marker post (see notes below on the sign posts) has gone. , another of my favourite places. Boeing 'RB-29A 44-61999 was part of the 16th Photographic Reconnaissance Squadron, 91st Reconnaissance Group, 311th Air Division in the Strategic Air Command of USAF. [1][2], The aircraft crashed at Higher Shelf Stones on the Bleaklow moorland plateau near Glossop in Derbyshire on 3 November 1948. The fragments had all gone, hopefully moved to the main debris pool. really nice shot ian i love the peat colour with morning / evening sun on it ,such a contrast to when its cloudy and wet, it being almost black then.. when i was heading upto that crash site and saw in the distance what appeared to be a figure a few times i thought no it must be some sheep or something it carnt be another person at this time just carry on .and if it would have been along torside clough at that time in the morning seeing a figure NO WAY! All of the wreckage seen last time is gone, though a bit of skinning and a new cross have replaced it. Ours has been great value. The boulders throughout the Bleaklow area are spectacular and worn into different shapes and figures from the harsh weather conditions that have battered them and if you have a good imagination you can see all sorts of things when looking at the strange shapes. David Devere Moore is buried in Arlington National Cemetary in Wash., DC., Section 12, right down hill from the Tomb of the Unknown soldier. On the 3rd November 1948 RB-29A 44-61999 was being used for a flight from Scampton near Lincoln to Burtonwood near Warrington, a flight of less than a hour. Or what is equally likely, bearing in mind that both aircraft were in very steep climbing attitudes, is that, in reaction to his leaders over-hasty pull, Flight Lieutenant Green had pulled even harder, got high, and being momentarily unsighted from his leader, had collided in blindly pushing back into position. There are at least 8 crash sites on Bleaklow, depending on how you define its boundaries. Notwithstanding this, the second load proffered was even heavier; only then the pilot was quite unable to accomplish the transition to forward flight. First off, we booted up and did a bag check, (food, plenty of water, extra layer of clothes and good rain coats/trousers,) before locking up the car and following the trail, this walk is roughly 6 miles if walking to Lower Shelf Stones and a wander about as we did. I often see bits of debris which people have carried and then dumped, presumably because it was too heavy to carry. This is something I'm seeing increasingly frequently. One of those, been there, got the T-shirt situations, and it can be dangerous. Memorial laid by 367 Air Navigation Course of RAF Finningley on November 12th 1988. Edale to Crowden Long Walk (via the Pennine Way) | 17-Mile Route You might not get a connection up there, so please copy these notes if you intend to use them. Photo above showing the route going to the left of the cairn near Hern Clough. Make sure you have as a minimum, a proper plan of where you are going and how long it will take, footwear suitable for the wet moorland conditions, extra clothing, waterproofs, food & drink, a map (Ordnance Survey OL1) & compass and know how to use them as well as a torch with spare batteries for every member of your party. These two sites are a bit awkward to get to, well away from the path, over a fence and down some steepish roughish ground. Nat Park - Peak District - Bleaklow Longendale. There are a number of aircraft crash sites on Bleaklow. When the aircraft failed to arrive at the Burtonwood airbase, the nearby RAF Mountain Rescue Service was called to search for the missing aircraft. [3], The summit affords views across Manchester, Lancashire and Cheshire to the west and towards the Hope Valley, Holme Moss, Emley Moor and Yorkshire to the east. About the B-29 Superfortress Wreckage. Cunningham (2006) says the bodies of the airmen were found some distance back along the line of flight of the Blenheim, suggesting the men had baled out but alas were too close to the ground to have chance to deploy their parachutes. This area is 610 m (2,000 ft) above sea level, making the . For more on ghost stories please see the comments under this photo. Ref from Pat Cunningham's book, High Peak Air Crash Sites. Go to GPS File. The recovery of the occupants took place the following morning and their bodies were taken to Burtonwood. I didnt take the directions, but with a bit of common sense and google on the phone, we were able to get to it first time. Required fields are marked *. The most obvious route is from the trig pillar at the summit of Higher Shelf Stones. Went today walked inland from the lay by on the road, walked following all the posts qith arrows on them, right up into the moorland, went in every direction for hours, couldnt find the place no where, we were out there over 3 hours to it and looking around but couldnt find it . UK Air Crash Site Coordinates (Formerly Peak Wreck Hunters) You may need to read up on the crew positions in the plane during flight. Andrew looks out past the wreckage of the two F86 Sabres over Kinder Scout, one of the many Peak District aircraft wrecks. Look no further. The trail of wreckage left by the two F86 Sabres on Kinder Scout. Keep left, the path doesnt actually fork, and another paved section is joined. Obviously some parts have decayed to dust but it is obvious that others have been removed. the Botha crash site on Bleaklow. Distance: 5.1 miles/8.2 km. A perfect walk for dogs as well as families. Bleaklow is a high peat covered, gritstone plateau North of. USAAF B24J Liberator 42-52003, Mill Hill, Kinder Scout, Peak District. We will remember them. The memorial at the B-29 crash site B-29 Crash Site Walk. It was foggy of course as it always is in these tales. June 2, 2022 by by Airspeed Oxford NM683, Rushup Edge, Peak District. Fab! From the southern end of the crash site you can pick up the intermittent path which leads back to the Pennine Way. New signs and posts appeared along the path from the lay-by in 2021. I was unaware of this until I found some plonker selling parts of the plane on eBay. Bleaklow Bomber 1948 Superfortress crash site in 2017. Take a map and compass, and know how to use them. well worth the visit, dont underestimate the moors, the weather or the need for boots. There is public access to the area. Plane Wrecks in the Peak District: Hiking to the B-29 Superfortress Visit the Tragic B-29 Crash Site | The Bumper Crew Air Crash Sites. The sunlight was worth the wait. The aircraft may have still had this name at the time of the crash, however it was being flown by a completely different crew and was with a different unit. Thanks everyone. Higher Shelf Stones Short Walk (+ Bleaklow Plane Crash Site) | 4-Mile [http://www.flickr.com/photos/solarscot] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/31728747@N04] Thats the erosion of the peat by rainfall over the years leaving exposed heather topped peat. The ordnance survey map for the area is OL1 - Peak District (Dark Peak Area.) Distance 8.9km (5 miles) Total ascent 130m. There is no reason to suspect they are there is you don't know that they are. I was taking in the 55 km Laugavegur Hiking Trail . Required fields are marked *. County/Area - Derbyshire. [1][3], The area around the crash site is challenging to navigate. Cruising speed 230mph. Also I was pleased to see the once toppled marker post above Hern Clough had been put back. The path from the PW is fairly clear in good visibility. In order to get below the 2000 ft. ceiling, and off course slightly by the wind, the pilot found 2050 ft. Bleaklow Hill . Was nice to pay my respects. In this video we show you how to find the B-29 'Overexposed' Crash Site up on Bleaklow Moor above Glossop in the Peak District! The front part looks like "R2D2" . I still would like that. Labels: air, coordinates, Crash, grid reference, pictures, site. Sad tale Ian. Bleaklow - Wikipedia R2D2 aye, see what you mean Malcolm! David Devere Moore is buried in Wash. D.C, USA. All of these air crash sites are detailed on this website. / 53.4505; -1.8651. Engineer, Technical Sergeant Ralph Fields document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Bristol Blenheim L1476 on Sykes Moor, Bleaklow. Low cloud makes for an atmospheric visit but it also increases the chances of getting lost. Grid reference SK 09223 95910. There is also a lovely path which takes you along the south-eastern edge of Crooked Clough and then turns left to briefly follow Doctors Gate. Differing reports have the two airmen walking away from the crash, to Sgt Najvar waking up in hospital a few days later. Your other correspondants have asked all the questions I had, so I will just look in amazement at your continued finds! The grid reference for the site is SK 090949 it can also be viewed on Google Maps but beware phone signals don't always work! ive known about this crash site for about 30 years or so and finally this weekend my wife and i decided to venture to it. Devil's Dike. the site is a very sombre place we barely spoke while wondering around the wreckage. Ours has been great value. Like always Im still amazed at the amount of wreckage remaining. Sergeant Robert I. Doyle Good view from the trig point too. The next few kilometres are very remote, you'll reach the trickle of Torside Clough which, you cross backwards and forwards several times at the top, then keep walking next to it as you make your way . It sold for a whopping 7300. Meanwhile it would be lovely to see the photo of your dad. We were glad of the extra planning we had done and for the rain coats we had packed. Technical Sergeant Saul R. Banks bleaklow plane crash grid ref. These can make navigation across the moors difficult, as it can be tempting not to follow the straight line of a compass bearing but opt instead for easier walking along the sandy bottom of the channel, which soon makes any compass bearing worthless. Old Glossop and B-29 Crash Site - Red Kite Days Way marked trails are perfect, or seemingly so, unless you lose your way while straying off track or wintry showers cover the trail leaving you in a pickle. UK Air Crash Site Coordinates (Formerly Peak Wreck Hunters), Armstrong Vickers Wellington Mk.III X3348 coded ZL-Z. Where the Pennine Way crosses the stream is where the path to the crash site branches off on the left. I had a stroll up Carnedd Daffydd last weekend, to have a look for the missing Cessna engine block amongst other things.