Business of the company continually increased for some time, until January 1, 1886, when a disastrous fire demolished the company's warehouse with the loss of near $1,000,000. I think that is the best way to influence others to try organic growing and get to the point where a company like Syngenta has no market. I take umbrage to that comment. Similarly, Monsanto has the rights to Better Boy, one of my regular tomatoes. Im worried about foods produced with GMO seeds that are not digestible and create immune reactions, and plants that do not feed insects and birds and animals. I trust them, that they are on the same page as I am about protecting the seed supply from Genetically modified seed. I dont know what you consider a good source of accurate information about Monsanto, but Ive quickly turned to Wikipedia for some. We offer a large selection of home gardening vegetables seeds with high yields. And, just for the sake of argument, why would Monsanto own so many seed companies, what's their reason for buying them all? ], To clarify - I believe there are still many people who are unaware of GMOs and what they are, so whenever that subject comes up, it makes people at least aware of it. But, I think I've spent enough time responding to this thread. "Yes, I do have fears about producing GMO seed and tampering with something that the entire life of the planet depends on. I don't think that that is a very reliable list. [And you did not directly quote me before disagreeing with what I said in that instance. There has been more proven environmental damage caused by planting invasives, over-use of fertilizers, and habitat destruction then GMOs. I provided eight links and you ignored seven. I vote with my pennies, just as you do with yours. "Tomato Growers Supply Company is a family-owned small specialty seed company founded in 1984 by Vince and Linda Sapp. They are reliable, trustworthy seeds you know will sprout and grow when you want them to. I said --. :) The depth of these posts is a nice contrast to the lengthy discussions elsewhere on the site regarding whether shiny brass hardware is currently "in" or "out." [4], Ferry began to operate facilities outside Detroit. And if it is a fact, that due to the way in which Monsanto was allowed to introduce GMO cotton seed in India, that there is now no non GMO seed available there, then how do we unring that bell? [And now you]. Would never use a lawn service and have explained the problems of them to my neighbor who did and doesn't any more. And that has not changed since the first time I posted it. I have been buying most of my seed from FEDCO the last few years. Nearly 70 percent of gardeners said they buy most of their seeds from mail-order vegetable seed companies. McKenzie continues to set industry standards while being conscious and responsive to the growing concerns involved with food: cost, quality and safety. I have tremendous respect for what they are trying to do. 0000005445 00000 n
All Seeds of Change seeds are 100% Organic and 100% Non-GMO. That is pretty depressing. All the people working tirelessly to be stewards of seeds and to create varieties of seed for home gardeners that are what we all want. Maryann, you mean the 'How to Source Truly High Quality Seeds' ? The only reason I did in this instance was because so much was said about the original link being suspect. I'm not sure that was the point you mean to say. A list of companies that sell seeds native to your area, and an area specific list of natives and invasives would be more productive. What about the risks of GMO seeds and plants? So, because of all these conversational choices youve made, from my end, it feels more like a monologue instead of a conversation. You answer in a round about way. While most companies have a life span of 50-60 years, the average age of our brands is 122 years! False is false. You made two comments about me that I feel are not accurate. Burpee gets $0.10 of it, marginalized Asian Indian farmers producing it get $0.05 of it (I'd rather buy US seed, but cheap hybrid seed is usually produced there which at least helps very needy and hardworking people), Florida gets $0.03 if I paid sales tax on retail seeds (can't remember) UPS gets $0.01 of it. So, because I have discussed avoiding GMO seeds, I am deliberately manipulating people and bullying them and using fear as a weapon, with an argument that is illogical? I don't want to win, I want to learn from you. I have already answered this at least twice. We feel a deep sense of pride and responsibility to carry on the tradition of these brands by delivering high quality products including OMRI listed Organic plant food and 100% Non-GMO seeds. Ferry-Morse 3.6G Wildflower Sunny Meadow Mixture Flower Seeds Packet - Seed Gardening, Full Sunlight. However there is one point I can beef up. Then I illustrated it by showing you that the Florida Citrus Greening disease is here right here and now. And what online source, would be reliable for that kind of information? I looked and this is the one Mother Earth News article that I was thinking of in particular. As for the people who rely on the government and regulatory agencies to protect them, I'd say that putting all your faith in the government for ANYTHING is living in a fools paradise. It was established in 1896 by Dr. Albert Edward McKenzie, and claims to supply 60% of Canada's packet seed market. Only if you are trying to convince them of something. They read any random thing, take it as gospel, and think they're informed without considering the source of the information, the bias of the author, or the fact that data can be manipulated to make any theory true. ~ Are you not against any of the things that Monsanto has done or is doing? African Daisy Mixed Colors Flower Seeds (Seed Packet) .22-Gram. Especially, that you take offense that I said you misquoted me. Ferry-Morse relocated to Kentucky in 1959. About Ferry Morse Seeds - GardenersNet.Com If you call and ask, I can imagine you could get the run around. Ed, do you see the green sentence at the bottom of the thread, to click on to switch off notifications? They are trying to sensationalize things through scare tactics, in my opinion. But Monsanto and Bayer had a history back to the 1950s, in a joint venture called Mobay . I can't be the guy you throw a million things at hoping one will stick. Concise and to the point and analyzing the subject youre discussing and not the person you are discussing it with is also beneficial. Although, how do you easily find out who owns these companies? The 8 Best Online Garden Stores of 2023 - Bob Vila I feel all comments among us should be assumed to be in good faith without having to win favor in "the benefit of the doubt", as this shouldn't be a political forum. Over the years, the stocking evolved into high-tech netting that provides roots with the optimum amount of air and water. Over 160 years later, this method has stood the test of time as seeds are still packaged and displayed this way. I just clicked on it and it went right to it. Since a winter sowing forum is a place where people use seeds, I think the topic is entirely on point. There is nothing wrong with my logic. You evidently see no need to choose a side, but in making no choice you actually do make a choice. Is Garden of Life owned by Monsanto? Who is considering that? I buy seeds from organizations I have some reason to trust and who are functioning in a way I appreciate. 0000014051 00000 n
Have you read the FEDCO companys catalog? What can I personally do about it? Notice they do not even qualify it with the word "knowingly", they are giving you a guaranty, unlike the other companies. 0000535956 00000 n
I don't know that I agree with your position. We take pride in helping families across the country enjoy gardening and the fresh foods and flowers the garden produces. Is there actually a big difference between someone being torn and being undecided? Yes, I do have fears about producing GMO seed and tampering with something that the entire life of the planet depends on. 202 S Washington St, Norton, MA 02766 0000020325 00000 n
Can't beat that. "There are two spiritual dangers in not owning a farm," wrote Aldo Leopold, "One is the danger of supposing that breakfast comes from the grocery" When we remove ourselves so far from what is actually going on in our food supply, we basically give the large agribusinesses carte blanche to do whatever they want, as long as the shelves are always stocked.Now, with that being said, there are benefits to genetic engineering that are often overlooked in the conversation. But please own your words, since those original words I found objectional, and I respect you for what you say, and would feel foolish to participate in a conversation where at the end I am told I misquoted someone when I did not and would not, and if it happened by accident I would instantly correct and apologize, because I will own my mistake. So why was that not good enough for you? 250 Milli-Gram Eggplant Black Beauty Vegetable (Seed Packet) Model # 466437.199.906735. :-). A leader and innovator in the gardening industry since 1896, McKenzie Seeds offers unsurpassed quality and deep commitment to the customer. And you are free to say whatever you want, but I have an opinion of what you had to say and have honestly shared it with you, as much for your benefit as for anything else. And providing a link that I alerted you to, that I had not checked out, is not exactly a flaw. As for the GMO involved, yes, it is the leading potential solution and everyone will probably have equal and free access to it, including every other country around the world growing Citrus., You are splitting hairs. Here is a link to an article about it on the Huffington Post, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-hassler/bitter-seeds-documentary_b_2155970.html. Zinnia Thumbelina Seed. The question means, that based on all the preceding explanation I gave of the difficulty I was having with the conversation, why would I want to continue it? No, I've read everything including all links. [3] A. E. F. White, John Stoughton Newberry, and W. K. Anderson were also officers. They covered the seed company acquisitions briefly and had a graphic with the citation leading back to this person's research. Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Outdoor Lighting & Audio/Visual Specialists, West Milford Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Ilchester Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Suffern Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers. At this point in time, I do not have the time and did so reluctantly because I felt obligated to respond to your 2015 post addressed directly to me. for pricing and availability. You surmise that. And are you then saying that because the story about India was not completely accurate, that means that there is nothing to fear? Yet you dont consider this statement a label? My participation in this thread stems from the desire to see first-hand experience, accuracy, truthfulness and completeness in evaluating any product. After only your very first paragraph, I am already disagreeing with everything youve said. It is also false to say non-GM cotton is not available in India. That is the scariest part to me too. And for the sake of argument, lets say that Monsanto is not now selling GMO seed to home gardeners. Only you, evidently, are in pursuit of the truth, and are not trying to mislead or manipulate? They only bother to genetically modify major commercial crops. . That was not the complete information I was looking for. 4 Steps for Keeping Monsanto OUT of Your Garden! - The Healthy Home I've shared my views on the subject and what I have done as a result of that and the names of seed companies that I use that make me feel I am living up to my own convictions. This is so sad. You already said it is an emotional issue for you and you think it is 1000% wrong. Really good article, I learned a few things. Boycotting Better Boy by others, as an example, hurts me, not Monsanto. Or is it just that you reject the idea that it could possibly be a frightening outcome? 0000022336 00000 n
These three suggestions will hit Monsanto's bottom line perhaps 1000X more effectively than some boycott of seeds such as Big Boy, Better Boy, Early Girl, Big Beef, etc., all conventional hybrids that are excellent tomatoes and are delicious, GMO-free, conventional good tasting tomatoes that are home garden seeds, which get discontinued all the time when consumer demand drops leaving those of us who like the varieties crying that Big Ag stopped producing them because there wasn't enough demand. And as I already said, I already do avoid the products you mention. No problem. I have a better idea. I havent got the time to do an expose on Monsanto. We are in the same boat, since it took me at least as much time as you to compose my replies for you or may I dare say maybe longer :-(, and your replies were not a walk through the park to read and I did visit and read every link you offered. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse seeds have been sold continuously since before Abe Lincoln was President. There have been remarkable and beneficial gains made through their scientific research. If GMOs concern you, then what are your concerns? 0000033228 00000 n
Youll have to show me where I have labeled you. And is it inaccurate to say that Monsanto does produce GMO seeds and that is their main goal? I can avoid their products, which I do. 0000536402 00000 n
I point people to natives and to the NEWFS to purchase natives. We all want this, right? If you want to find out who owns a company, go to the website of the attorney general of the state where the company is located. Loss of the citrus industry will be catastrophic and change Florida. You seem to be trying to straddle both sides and see yourself above everyone else. Pupilla - From my point of view, in any conversation with another person, you have to win their favor enough to interest them in continuing a conversation with you. After nobody else volunteered you used information about the India topic which you presented as an obligation of every living person with another if: This illustrates the cycle of misinformation undecided folks face. Ferry & Co.[2], The business grew steadily and, in 1879, was incorporated under the name D.M. The first time I let it slide because you said you hadn't time to read as much as you would like and were unsure about the accuracy of the sources. None of Big Ag is involved in making Florida Orange Juice GMO, so it is very different. And this article does a great job of explaining why I want to buy seed from these companies. That property is bordered by Second and Third Avenues on the east and west and by Burroughs and Amsterdam Avenues on the north and south, the city's northern limit at that time. 0000019942 00000 n
That's why I'm concerned about them. You've made broad, generalizations about the people on both sides of this controversy as if you are not part of either side. 0000001396 00000 n
In my opinion, it should not even be legal to do that. I do not think Better Boy or the entire home garden seed market makes any difference to Monsanto. And with their history of trying to influence legislation, at some point, once they have a monopoly of owning seed companies, then what? Ferry Morse Seeds & Spores - Walmart Kellogg. I'll stick with the friendly, who actually care online seed companies. I think they would like to have nothing but GMO seeds available to buy to everyone, including home gardeners. Bottom Line to me is why give Monsanto more power? 0000510000 00000 n
The real unfortunate part of it is that disagreements between well meaning people like us add to the confusion of someone trying to learn more. This put it in a whole new positive light on the subject. And you are depending on the current legal climate, while Monsanto is using all that money you are putting in their coffers to try to alter the legal climate, so that they will ultimately have control of the food supply.
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